Comments on: Health Care: Obsessing the cost while ignoring the value http://www.gettingpaidtowatch.com/2009/06/30/health-care-obsessing-the-cost-while-ignoring-the-value/ Politics, War, Culture, and oh....the Mets. The writer was the asssitant trainer for the NY Mets from 1985 until 1991. He now teaches Biology and helps out with the football team at a high school near the Florida home he grew up in. Email: CoachSikes@aol.com Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:09:48 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: bobsikes http://www.gettingpaidtowatch.com/2009/06/30/health-care-obsessing-the-cost-while-ignoring-the-value/comment-page-1/#comment-20804 bobsikes Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:18:41 +0000 http://www.gettingpaidtowatch.com/?p=2236#comment-20804 I'd like to where, too. But my own assessment effects trial lawyers - long time DNC cash cows. Gov't intervention has been shown to not work as Medicare/Medicade is insolvent. Obama/Dem care will only lead to rationing. Adjustments needs not come from the delivery end, but in the legislative end that enriches lawyers and drives insurance plus care costs skyward - Bob<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('20804','bobsikes'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('20804','bobsikes','I\'d like to where, too. But my own assessment effects trial lawyers - long time DNC cash cows. Gov\'t intervention has been shown to not work as Medicare\/Medicade is insolvent. Obama\/Dem care will only lead to rationing. Adjustments needs not come from the delivery end, but in the legislative end that enriches lawyers and drives insurance plus care costs skyward - Bob'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’d like to where, too. But my own assessment effects trial lawyers – long time DNC cash cows. Gov’t intervention has been shown to not work as Medicare/Medicade is insolvent. Obama/Dem care will only lead to rationing. Adjustments needs not come from the delivery end, but in the legislative end that enriches lawyers and drives insurance plus care costs skyward – Bob
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]]> By: Jeremy Waters http://www.gettingpaidtowatch.com/2009/06/30/health-care-obsessing-the-cost-while-ignoring-the-value/comment-page-1/#comment-20724 Jeremy Waters Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:47:43 +0000 http://www.gettingpaidtowatch.com/?p=2236#comment-20724 Sorry to break this up. But to continue. The problem obviously with my argument above is then the system can become to costly. There is also the issue of paying the doctors enough so that they can pay their own insurance (whose rates are perhaps more ridiculous). Simply put the system is broken. It is not just the new technology, but an industry that has gotten out of control as little has been done to curb increase in rates for increase in profits without necessarily offering an improved or decent service (and thus the downfall of social services in the private sector). The answer is not an unregulated industry that holds the customer hostage. I do not know if health care run by the government can run as smoothly in this country as it can in European counties and Canada (yes, they have problems, but the system still works without costing way too much as people here seem to think it will), but I do not think our political environment would be able to run it without then holding the system hostage as each political side grabs for power every two years. The answer must exist somewhere in between those two points. The question is where.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('20724','Jeremy Waters'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('20724','Jeremy Waters','Sorry to break this up. But to continue. The problem obviously with my argument above is then the system can become to costly. There is also the issue of paying the doctors enough so that they can pay their own insurance (whose rates are perhaps more ridiculous). Simply put the system is broken. It is not just the new technology, but an industry that has gotten out of control as little has been done to curb increase in rates for increase in profits without necessarily offering an improved or decent service (and thus the downfall of social services in the private sector). The answer is not an unregulated industry that holds the customer hostage. I do not know if health care run by the government can run as smoothly in this country as it can in European counties and Canada (yes, they have problems, but the system still works without costing way too much as people here seem to think it will), but I do not think our political environment would be able to run it without then holding the system hostage as each political side grabs for power every two years. The answer must exist somewhere in between those two points. The question is where.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Sorry to break this up. But to continue. The problem obviously with my argument above is then the system can become to costly. There is also the issue of paying the doctors enough so that they can pay their own insurance (whose rates are perhaps more ridiculous). Simply put the system is broken. It is not just the new technology, but an industry that has gotten out of control as little has been done to curb increase in rates for increase in profits without necessarily offering an improved or decent service (and thus the downfall of social services in the private sector). The answer is not an unregulated industry that holds the customer hostage. I do not know if health care run by the government can run as smoothly in this country as it can in European counties and Canada (yes, they have problems, but the system still works without costing way too much as people here seem to think it will), but I do not think our political environment would be able to run it without then holding the system hostage as each political side grabs for power every two years. The answer must exist somewhere in between those two points. The question is where.
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]]> By: Jeremy Waters http://www.gettingpaidtowatch.com/2009/06/30/health-care-obsessing-the-cost-while-ignoring-the-value/comment-page-1/#comment-20720 Jeremy Waters Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:26:35 +0000 http://www.gettingpaidtowatch.com/?p=2236#comment-20720 Wow, talk about missing the point. The point is that many people cannot afford health care. This is a problem when companies are cutting benefits to bare bones or simply completely. Add in the fact that the younger professionals will exist in a world where they have gigantic student loans to pay off that are not optional (cannot declare bankruptcy and clear the slate) and suddenly must be forced to find their own costly benefits. Suddenly costly becomes unattainable because between food, housing, and loans to get the job in the first place nothing is left over to catch cancer in time. This is true for adults without six figure jobs, kids, and a mortgage as well. Sometimes the economics misses the point of the service, to provide for a healthy population, not a healthy bottom line.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('20720','Jeremy Waters'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('20720','Jeremy Waters','Wow, talk about missing the point. The point is that many people cannot afford health care. This is a problem when companies are cutting benefits to bare bones or simply completely. Add in the fact that the younger professionals will exist in a world where they have gigantic student loans to pay off that are not optional (cannot declare bankruptcy and clear the slate) and suddenly must be forced to find their own costly benefits. Suddenly costly becomes unattainable because between food, housing, and loans to get the job in the first place nothing is left over to catch cancer in time. This is true for adults without six figure jobs, kids, and a mortgage as well. Sometimes the economics misses the point of the service, to provide for a healthy population, not a healthy bottom line.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Wow, talk about missing the point. The point is that many people cannot afford health care. This is a problem when companies are cutting benefits to bare bones or simply completely. Add in the fact that the younger professionals will exist in a world where they have gigantic student loans to pay off that are not optional (cannot declare bankruptcy and clear the slate) and suddenly must be forced to find their own costly benefits. Suddenly costly becomes unattainable because between food, housing, and loans to get the job in the first place nothing is left over to catch cancer in time. This is true for adults without six figure jobs, kids, and a mortgage as well. Sometimes the economics misses the point of the service, to provide for a healthy population, not a healthy bottom line.
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