METS: Tell me when it’s over – the reincarnation of “Full Pack”

Davey Johnson didn’t play for the Orioles anymore in 1979 when they won the AL East and eventually lost to the Pittsburg Pirates in the World Series. But he was still close with some of the players. two of his former teammates in Mark Belanger and Elrod Hendricks were on Manager Earl Weaver’s staff. It was probably from one of these two where Johnson got the story of “full back.”

Johnson often told the story of Orioles reliever Don Stanhouse. It seems that while it usually ended well with Stanhouse, his appearances were filled with drama. So much drama in fact that Weaver would cover his eyes and tell one of his coaches to tell him when it was over. And Weaver, a legendary chain smoker during games would have to go to the smokes even more during a Stanhouse outing. The creation of the nickname, “Full Pack,” was an easy thing.

Political correctness and the change in societal morals today don’t allow us to make light of such stories, but the comparison to what Oliver Perez must put his manager through every night.

Last night was a “good Ollie” night. Even in the loss, the Mets looked like a good club against one of the league’s best starters on team that will probably will be playing in October.

You get to play 162 games over half a calendar year, and each season ends up being a different story from the past. While the New York media often seems to want this season to be like last year, it’s just not. And yes, there are so-to-speak moral victories. Perez’ terrific six innings were sqaundered, but the Mets’ valiantly made a run at getting it back in the ninth. Last night in St. Louis can be one of those night’s in which a club gets it’s moxie.

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METS: About that rotation

I could hear fans thinking aloud last night: How did we not get this Robertson guy? And why didn’t we do something about the rotation during the off-season anyhow?

Answer: They couldn’t. And considering the market, they shouldn’t have. The conscience decision was made to see just what they had in John Maine, Mike Pelfrey and Oliver Perez.

Fortunately, the Mets wanted Jon Niese to make the rotation and he did. He demonstarted last night that he is a fine alternative as a third or fourh starter. But unfortunately, the rest have shown no reason to feel they are even remotely worthy of a number two slot behind Johan Santana.

Maine’s start illustarted the concerns the club has had about him for some time. He couldn’t thrown many first pitch strikes and often fell behind 2-0. Coupled with less than desirable velocity, this is not a template for winning.

Fans have similar lack of faith in Perez and Pelfrey. More so the former than the later. We’ll see Pelfrey tonight and hopefully he performs much like he did in his last spring start. It’s going to be hard enough to withstand the early season failures of Maine and Perez as it is.

But the Mets may have anticipated this scenario and are prepared to make the year a psuedo rebuilding season. Are their replacements already on the current staff in Fernando Nieve and Hisanori Takahashi?
Tobi Stoner was effective in his rain-shortened start last night in Buffalo. It may be telling that he got the opening night start in AAA.

Still, the names Stoner, Takahashi and Nieve are not part of any reasonable calculus ending with a Mets play-off run this season.

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METS: Oliver Perez? How long will the Mets go with him?

The Post’s Mike Puma says it best regarding Oliver Perez:

Oliver Perez finally has a healthy knee, but spent most of the spring serving up batting practice to opposing hitters, inspiring little confidence that he is about to get his act together and have a breakout year. Perez wasn’t wild, but didn’t fool many people, either.

Perez’ face can be posted in Websters by the definition for “enigma”. I’ve always hoped that Perez would one day find his inner Sid Fernandez. He never has and only rarely given anyone hope that he would. Fairness dictated that last season was a wash as he was saddled by an injured knee. Reportedly, he is in good shape after a productive off season.

But as Puma indicates, Perez wasn’t very good this spring. So it begs the question of just how long will the club go with him if he struggles.

The Mets won’t tolerate any Perez drama this year. He’ll probably get three starts to show what he can do. Two members of the bullpen are there now in Hisanori Takahashi and Fernando Nieve that they won’t hesitate to put in there.

But what then with Perez? The Mets may attempt to get him to go to Buffalo, but his agent Scot Boras won’t let that happen. The Mets may then attempt to deal Perez with the stipulation that they would pay the bulk of his remaining salary. There aren’t likely to be many takers as there weren’t when Perez was a free agent. Omar Minaya was probably bidding against himself in the first place. As Jeff Wilpon will be looking to be as drama free as possible, the Mets might just cut their losses and let Perez go in the event he struggles.

In many ways, Perez future is similar to that of Minaya and Jerry Manuel. Poor play over an extended period will prompt Wilpon to take action.

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METS: Won’t get fooled again

“Meet the old boss. Same as the new boss.”

With apologies to The Who, I fear we are seeing much of the same we left off with last year. Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran will not be in the opening day line-up. Carlos Delgado and his Hall of Fame type numbers are gone from first base and a a journeyman will open there. Mike Pelfrey, John Maine and Oliver Perez are healthy but have had lackluster springs. And unlike previous seasons, we’re not sure whom will take the mound in the 8th.

It’s not hopeful.

But let’s hope nonetheless.

Jason Bay will be in the line-up on opening day as will another new leader in Jeff Franceour. David Wright will not be alone in the middle of the line-up. The two players that have vied for the centerfield job in Angel Pagan and Gary Matthews Jr have been pleasant surprises and one could be dealt to bring back pitching. Maybe the catching will be better and make a difference. Ike Davis, Fernando Martinez and Jennry Mejia look like they will be future All-Stars.

The minor league system is not barren afterall and under more effective and positive leadership than was during the Tony Bernazard regime. The Mets are embracing their past. Wally Backman’s back. Tim Teufel is the AA manager. They both look like future managers in Flushing.

But there’s still the start to this season.

If the club gets off to a poor start, the Omar and Jerry watch will begin. If it gets bad, the team will play as if they are waiting for someone or more than one to get fired.

I don’t think that Jeff Wilpon will put everyone through that. He’s made it clear that Minaya no longer has his favor. People are already in place to easily step into both positions. Wilpon won’t get fooled again and will act quickly and decisively.

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METS: Media proclaims Mets’ trainwreck

Sometimes it almost seems like they are cheering for the Mets to go wrong. Note Bill Madden’s column today bemoaning Oliver Perez’ “poor” outing. It was Ollie’s FIRST OUTING in the spring. No one ever pays any attention to anyone’s first time out in the spring. Madden knows this.

Madden goes further and points to Jose Reyes’ illness (he’ll be back) Frankie Rodriguez’ pink eye (c’mon man) and Kelvim Escobar’s slow progress (already knew about it). Nevermind that a better story is being covered in the blogosphere about how well Mets’ prospects have done thus far.

This traditionally is what the media covers at this point in spring training, but a New York reality is far different. Back pages are sold at toll booths, by street vendors and in train stations. Fair enough, but the New York media again is showing it is both predictable and far too often speaks collectively.

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METS: Minaya’s judgement of talent now the biggest Mets question

The signings of Jon Garland (Padres) and Ben Sheets (A’s) over the past few days were the last available options for the club to begin the season with a new #2 starter. And it was about the money. The Mets obviously felt that the talent available was not worth the cost and that it was better to see what their own pitchers can. So the Mets now will have to rely on healthy rebounds of John Maine, Oliver Perez, and Jon Niese.

We are now seeing one of the hidden problems that last seasons crushing amount of injuries resulted in. They had no chips to commit to trades.

Billy Beane thought that Ben Sheets was worth the gamble. Omar Minaya needs for Beane to be wrong.

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METS: About those Reds rumors

If it’s about salary on the Reds’ part, there’s a match. Matt Cerrone’s take is right on:

…by the way, arroyo, phillips and cordero will earn around $30 million next season… arroyo can be cut loose for 2011; but phillips and cordero will still be under contract, earning a combined $23 million, after which they can both be bought out and sent to free agency…

…yes, it would be crazy creative, border-line stupid, yet potentially brilliant, if a team could send, say, Luis Castillo and Oliver Perez, who will cost $18 million each of the next two seasons, to the Reds for arroyo, phillips and cordero, saving the Reds $12 million this season, and $5 million next season, while replacing them with legitimate major-league talent… yes, this is far-fetched, and total mock-GM’ing, and i can’t recall the last time i saw a deal like that happen, but, the point is, the Mets and Reds fit one another’s needs, in some way, shape or form, and i would hope they discuss a way to help eachother out, because it looks like they can…

The talent is the thing. I don’t see the Reds’ doing this without inclusion of young talent from the Mets. Say Mike Pelfrey, but hopefully not Bobby Parnell. Any one or combination of the four Reds mentioned – Cordero, Phillips, Harang and Arroyo – represent the talent fit the Mets are looking for.

I remain astonished by the amount of energy Minaya is putting into moving Castillo. Is there more of a there, there under the radar about team chemistry issues? One reason Kevin Mitchell was moved in the December 1986 Kevin McReynolds deal was to remove him from Doc Gooden. Do the Mets feel the need to remove him from Jose Reyes?

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METS: Does Metsblog poll show fans historical identity with starting pitching?

I’ve always been a fans of Matt Cerrone’s use of polling data of Met fans. One today gives me a reason to believe I’ve been right about something. I wrote the following in a post last week:


The Mets’ historical identity of being built around strong starting pitching has always appeared to be absolute. Last year’s failure of any starter to assume the role of a #2 behind one of the game’s best necessitated the club’s turn it’s attention to acquiring one. Met fans have a comfort level when their clubs are built around it’s stating pitching.

Metsblog offers a choice to fans to select between John Lackey, Matt Holliday and Jason Bay. Lackey leads all with 44%.

The Mets are an organization with a relatively short history in that there are fans alive who were there at the beginning. The first taste of glory came with a team built on strong starting pitching in Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman and Jon Matlack. No one will never forget the Dwight Gooden led staffs of the late 1980′s. It was the Mets dependency on starters which prompted Joe McIlvaine to give up Rick Aguillera along with four other players to get Frank Viola during 1990. Reacquisitions of Seaver, along with such pitchers as Brett Saberhagen, Al Leiter, Mike Hampton, Tom Glavine and Johan Santana support this hypothesis.

Even after a season such as 2009 that witnessed such offensive impotence, Met fans still put a premium on starting pitching.

I voted for Holliday in the poll, as I see the Mets need for a right-handed bat to be the greatest. They must compete with the Phillies whom have very good lefthanded pitching in Cliff Lee, Cole Hammels, J.A. Happ and Jamie Moyers. Righthanded hitters like Holliday and Jason Bay may not be available again.

Maybe I’m being allowed to buy into the weakness of catching last year and am optimistic of a positive return of some of the starters – except for Oliver Perez that is. And don’t get me wrong, if it’s any of these three, I’ll be pleased that the Wilpons are trying to win.

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One trade that didn’t go down

MLB Trade Rumors tells a tale about just how much the Red Sox were willing to give up to get Felix Hernandez from the Mariners.

Thats an off-the-charts wow factor of 10.

I’m not sure what to make of the possibility that Cleveland would have sent Victor Martinez to the Mets for Jon Niese and Jennry Mejia or Brad Holt. There’s just too many things to speculate on.

But the one whisper that never seems to go away is that the Wilpons may be in trouble financially. Its the 800 pound gorilla in the room that no one talks about in polite company. The empty seats I saw around home plate during yesterday’s game has become a familiar sight. The team’s poor play coupled with extremely high ticket prices and a poor economy is the perfect storm for any professional sports franchise. Maybe they just cannot add salary of any sorts until the ones for Billy Wagner and Carlos Delgado come off the books after this year.

A number two starter is the greatest pressing need for next season. Yes, that means the Mets should attempt to sign John Lackey with the money they’re saving by the departures of Wagner and Delgado. Lackey will likely get a contract similar to the AJ Burnett contract. But the Angel’s right hander is what the Mets badly need to be competitive in their own ballpark. Lackey’s a gamer and is used to the big stage.

And yes, I know we woudn’t be having this conversation is the Mets had committed their assets to Derek Lowe and not Oliver Perez.

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METS: The Pelfrey and Perez 5 inning pitch counts and beyond

I’m glad that Adam Rubin is back at the ballpark hopefully no worse for wear. But he makes a good point in linking the high pitch counts of Mike Pelfrey today and Oliver Perez last night.


Pelfrey (8-7) tossed 107 pitches while being charged with three runs on five hits and three walks (one intentional) in five innings. It marked the second straight day the Mets starting pitcher had reached a three-figure pitch count while failing to exceed five innings (Oliver Perez, 112 pitches on Saturday).

This is nothing new to fans and many Mets bloggers such as Joe Janish, Metswalkoffs and Baseball Crank. All three are very aware of stats. So far more than me that I rely on them.

The fact that this is nothing new means there’s something there…there….by design. Is it some sort of organizational philosophy that creates these unwinnable scenarios? Is it the habit of limiting pitch counts in the early season in the minors? Does this then enable lowered expectations for starters?

All these questions and more need to be frankly discussed around the table by their baseball people in the off-season. It may be that in the interest of protecting their investments with pitch counts has produced a pircher who doesn’t help their team win.

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